malterer/reeders video

Discussion in 'Silat' started by bios69, Jul 4, 2011.

  1. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    Hello,
    many of you probably know, or at least heard of, poekoelan tjimande, pionerred from 2 masters in the USA, Willy Wetzel and Master Reeders.
    I know that today are still some school in the USA but I live in Italy and I am very interested in investigating this art.
    I know that John Maltere, a disciple of Willy Wetzel, produced 2 videotapes, 3 hour long each, via the King Dragon enterprises and advertised them many time on Black Belt Magazine, look:
    http://books.google.com/books?id=6t...AEwAg#v=onepage&q=malterer black belt&f=false

    I would please:
    1. does anybody has these 2 tapes? I would like to buy them or a copy.
    2. Does anyone know if Master Redeers poekoelan is in a way on tape? I know that M. Sikes (spelling unsure) was one of his best student.
    3. Any other sources?
    I thank you all for your patience and help.
    Sergio
     
  2. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    Look up MAP member gungfujoe-Erik Harris.Haven't seen him around here for some time but he has a website.You can goooogle him.If you search here and find a post by him his site may be in his signature.

    Tell him I said "hi".
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2011
  3. silatliam

    silatliam Valued Member

    Hi

    We practise Pukulan Cimande here in Ireland. We use to train under William Sanders, before he change direction. At the time he told us the material we were learning, was the material passed down from Willey Wetzel.

    Liam
     
  4. Ular Sawa

    Ular Sawa Valued Member

    There's a forum where the Wetzel guys gather. You might try finding it and checking with them. Try searching Poeklan.net or something.

    I might have these someplace but they were copies on VHS and fifteen years old. I honestly don't know where they are. It's too bad no one is putting this material out anymore.
     
  5. kuntaoer

    kuntaoer Valued Member

    There is very little put out on the reeders system.. I have several acquaintances in the system and the videos are almost nonexistant outside of personal footage.. I ran across the wetzel stuff in an out of the way martial arts shop in Indiana and grabbed 3 of the 4 videos that were available covering the wetzel stuff.. I haven't watched the whole set yet because I am having it converted to dvd format for storage and historical reference
     
  6. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    thanks a lot, I will do it.
     
  7. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    Hello Master liam,
    thanks for your answer. In fact, at the beginning of the Panther Production series featured by William Senders, he thanks his silat teacher and I remember John Malterer was one of the, together with Victor De Thouars as well as others.
    What do you mean saying that M. Sanders changed direction?
    I allways had the impression that his style is very mixed: serak, poekoelan and other style he learrned in his trip in Indonesia.
    My greetings.
     
  8. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    Hello Master Liam,
    thanks for your answer. In fact, at the beginning of the Panther Production series featured by William Senders, he thanks his silat teacher and I remember John Malterer was one of the, together with Victor De Thouars as well as others.
    What do you mean saying that M. Sanders changed direction?
    I allways had the impression that his style is very mixed: serak, poekoelan and other style he learrned in his trip in Indonesia.
    My greetings.
     
  9. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    Hello Master Liam,
    thanks for your answer. In fact, at the beginning of the Panther Production series featured by William Senders, he thanks his silat teacher and I remember John Malterer was one of the, together with Victor De Thouars as well as others.
    What do you mean saying that M. Sanders changed direction?
    I allways had the impression that his style is very mixed: serak, poekoelan and other style he learrned in his trip in Indonesia.
    My greetings.
     
  10. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    Could you please tell me what kind of video did you grabbed in Indiana?
    Were them the Maltere series?
    Where is M. Maltere now?
    Could you give a look to the videos (if you find them) and refer? If you could convert them , it would be great.
    It's very difficoult material to find.
    I read on some forum that there is a theory about the pukulan (dutch used to call poekoelan) styles, it was explained that exists a theory that these styles are more aggresive the the general silat style. One guy that actually study Pukulan from a dutch based school http://www.pukulan-pakflohr.com/home_it.aspx) explained this theory telling that these pukulan styles do not have parries, and are very much for attaking the incoming limbs.
    It seems that they are the dutch expression of silat, more direct and less mysystic.
    Now, before everybody tells me that all the martial arts are good, that all the silat are conceived for attaking and that all the silat are as good as the pratictioner, I would like to point that I have the impression that this Wetzel poekoelan, being a pukulan style is , in a general way, more attaking oriented that general other silat style.
    In the Martial Arts Enciclopedia by Chris Crudelli is dedicated a short paragrapf about Reeders kuntao (Royal Kuntao) (I know it's the other branch, but it's still poekoelan tjimande) where is explained that is an aggressive sytem with a lot of blows launched in a continuum flow, thus confirming the mentioned theory.
    I do not know if this is a beliveable theory, maybe you have different thoughts.
    Cheers,
    Sergio
     
  11. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    I found that community, thanks Ular Sawa.
    But none seems to have the material I am looking for, there are beautiful photos and a nice forum.
    Please tell me something yhe vhs tapes. If they are the W. Sanders silat series, I allready have it.
    If it's the 2 tapes advertised in BB during the 70/s and 80's I ask you to finfd the in your most secret places. Maybe they are in an old box or near the stuff you owned when you were a boy...i don't know, but, find them.
    I trust your patience a lot.
    Sergio
     
  12. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    I found that community, thanks Ular Sawa.
    But none seems to have the material I am looking for, there are beautiful photos and a nice forum.
    Please tell me something yhe vhs tapes. If they are the W. Sanders silat series, I allready have it.
    If it's the 2 tapes advertised in BB during the 70/s and 80's I ask you to find the in your most secret places. Maybe they are in an old box or near the stuff you owned when you were a boy...i don't know, but, find them.
    I trust your patience a lot.
    Sergio
     
  13. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    I found that community, thanks Ular Sawa.
    But none seems to have the material I am looking for, there are beautiful photos and a nice forum.
    Please tell me something yhe vhs tapes. If they are the W. Sanders silat series, I allready have it.
    If it's the 2 tapes advertised in BB during the 70/s and 80's I ask you to find them in your most secret places. Maybe they are in an old box or near the stuff you owned when you were a boy...i don't know, but, find them.
    I trust your patience a lot.
    Sergio
     
  14. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    sorry for the double answer, it's not my fault.
     
  15. bios69

    bios69 Valued Member

    Hello, I founf the guy and by the logo I recognised his wessite, very beautiful.
    It's from the Reeders lineage, I had previously lokked to see if they were selling videos but unfortunetly the did not write anything there.
    Maybe the could sell somethin privately. I will ask.
    Thanks for your help and direct anwer.
     
  16. bustr

    bustr New Member

    Any progress on finding them?
     

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