This thread might possibly save your life.

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Tom bayley, Oct 3, 2017.

  1. Simon

    Simon The Bulldog Admin

    Hannibal teaches a 30% rule and I'll quote him directly.

     
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  2. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    Additional statistic from my grand father teacher, who had to rely on blades while in the resistance in Manchuria

    If you survive a knife fight you have a 70% chance of being maimed for life.

    Can we all agree fighting against a blade should be an action of last resort?
     
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  3. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

    Hell yea, that's why will shoot someone with a blade, it's really really not worth the risk.
     
  4. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

    I'd do a Double bicep hook/grip and slide down to arm, but one hand is better then no hands.

    Note: I haven't trained this in a few years, when I next get time I'll do some unscripted work and see what I'm thinking about it now.
     
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  5. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Valued Member

    This is probably completely irrelevant but fun info anyway since wars and soldiers were brought up: Trench raiders soemtimes just used grenades and a knife, they would throw the grenades into the trench and then jump in with knives as their secondary weapon. gIves you some perspective of WW1 rifles in CQB at least.
     
  6. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    a number of people have made genuine thoughtful contributions to this thread. However these contributions come from people (like myself) who do not regularly practice defence against knives. We do have people on the forum who do practice defence against knives on a more regular basis. I am pretty sure that we have people that actively teach defence against knives. And their contribution has been - nothing, nada, zip.

    This is an opportunity to share understanding that might stop someone getting killed. I dont understand why you are so silent.
     
  7. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    I suspect it's because of a number of reasons

    firstly they might not want to suggest something that would get others hurt or killed, knife defence is a big thing to get wrong,

    secondly a lot of stuff out there is rubbish and they might not want to be scrutinized closely as their stuff might also be bad,

    lastly if they do have good stuff they probably spilt good and sweat finding and adapting it to work for them and maybe don't want to share
     
  8. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member

    I always bring it up when knife defence is raised but the STAB programme from Karl Tanswell (SBGi) is one of the best things I've seen for it.

    It centres on the two on one and works from the premise that the knife is already going in and out of you.

    Worth a look.
     
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  9. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Valued Member

    Anyone done the "no lie blades" course? I think thats its name anyway.
     
  10. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    Karla stuff is great but does start from the premis you have already been stabbed which whilst realistic isn't a great way to start people I think the dog brothers have a method of dealing with the incoming initial attack but it's only on their videos I believe
     
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  11. Hannibal

    Hannibal Angriest MAP resident.... Supporter

    They have that on their "DLO" program and they are exceptionally good - especially for knife vs gun, knife vs knife and knife vs EH tactical considerations
     
  12. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    In broad terms what do they have on the "DLO" programme regarding empty hand defence against knife? What do they get people to do that is in your opinion a good thing to do? And why, in your opinion, is it good?
     
  13. Hannibal

    Hannibal Angriest MAP resident.... Supporter

    The title of the series "Die Less Often" clues in to how realistically they view it - you won;t beat the knife everytime you just increase your chances of survival, but even then you are still up against it

    They drill hard (as you would expect) in scenario based encounters to support the learning points. The fact they address all facets of it - gun, knife and empty hand - gives a much more comprehensive strategic overview. They also stress proactive action against the assailant and the material covers trauma care too
     
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  14. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member

    That's one of the things I like about it. But you might be right. I think the rationale is that the nature of the attack is commonly such that you'll be getting stabbed before you know a knife is involved and that if you have chance to see the blade you generally have chance to run. In the context it claims to aid you in though (ambush shanking), it seems great.

    I'm interested in what the dog bros have to offer though. Known about DLO for a good long while but not seen any of the actual material.
     
  15. Hannibal

    Hannibal Angriest MAP resident.... Supporter

  16. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    I have seen a technique where one uses ones forearm and knee as a bone shield, as the forearms can take a pretty good cut only superficial damage, if one was to cover the neck, tuck in the torso and bring up the knee with the bone shields out in front of them and charge to the side of the knife, i.e. Closing down the space, ands tricking the head. Of course that would only be a last resort if running wasn't an option, but you will get cut no doubt about that,
     
  17. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    Tricking the head? I meant hitting, bloody auto spell!
     
  18. Hannibal

    Hannibal Angriest MAP resident.... Supporter

    You mean you lift your leg and tuck it together with your elbow???
     
  19. Morik

    Morik Valued Member

    Do you mean like they do in Muay Thai? Having your knee up in shin-check position, with your same-side arm's elbow touching your knee, so your shin + forearm are making a shield in front of you on that side.

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  20. Hannibal

    Hannibal Angriest MAP resident.... Supporter

    That was what i envision...if so it's an incredibly stupid idea that leaves you off balance and prone to being carved like a jack o lantern
     
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