How do you define JKD?

Discussion in 'Jeet Kune Do' started by Yama Tombo, Oct 31, 2003.

  1. Angelus

    Angelus Waiting for summer :D

    Well i always saw JKD as the scientific approach to MA's... I mean a combination of different arts that is meant only for practical combat... Maximum efficiency from the least amount of effort...JKD sounds more and more like a MMA to me everyday... though it specializes more in striking.....
     
  2. James Kovacich

    James Kovacich RENEGADE

    Pat, you're a good poster. You know when and when not to post. I lurk more than I post and sometimes do caught up with the "simple ****." Guess thats my fault.

    But you "hit the nail on the head" most often and post good reading and Simplicity too.

    I really think that you and Simplicity have a good shot at being "2 out of 20,000."
     
  3. Simplicity

    Simplicity Valued Member

    AKJA......Well thank you for the kind words....and yes, The Oakland group is very effective......Opening minded people in martial arts will gain more, than people that are always closing the door sort of speak, won't get "IT".......When you truly help people you are helping yourself to understan even better, it is a win-win kind of thing that can blossem into better fruit for all involved....... :)

    One thing I would like to put out there for all is...."I Fight Like I Train and I Train Like I Fight" (jfm) .....Something to think about!


    Peace, Love and Soul
    JFM
     
  4. James Kovacich

    James Kovacich RENEGADE

    You're welcome my friend!
     
  5. Yama Tombo

    Yama Tombo Valued Member

    Wasn't Lee in the process of adding throws and ground grappling to his list of techniques? I know he trained with Wally Jay. So, you could say it was MMA.
     
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  6. tel

    tel absorb what is useful for

    no because he was learning grapping to be able to understand it. to understand something its best to do it.
    lee was after street fighting so going to the ground was not an option.
    and if he did then he knew how to get out of it.
    mma has rules. grappling is a major part of the game.
    so tho he did spar using stand up and ground work. he was after alot more
     
  7. tel

    tel absorb what is useful for

  8. Simplicity

    Simplicity Valued Member

    Gary Dill.......Enough said, has using BL name for yearsto promote himself, most only remember him for afew months training at Oakland school and some don;'t even remember enough said.....Somethings are better left alone, because it becomes a Political-Mess......"Walk On".....

    JFM :)
     
  9. tel

    tel absorb what is useful for

    cheers john. was not a fan and you comfirmed what i thought.
    this is the type of guy that ruines jkd, but i will do what you say and walk past it
     
  10. James Kovacich

    James Kovacich RENEGADE

    Anybody that knows about the Oakland school's schedule knows that everyone trained on differant schedules. Leo Fong for one only trained on Weekends and did not know most of the other students. Dill admittedly trained less than a year but to at least give the man a bit of respect he was already Karate instrutor beforehand. I always heard the stoy before without confirmation.

    But I met him at one of my instructors (Lou Angel) gatherings and he in fact was not only a karate instructor in the mid '60's he ran a Goju Ryu school for Lou Angel.

    I don't see him as much differant than "most" out there. Usually the ones "without" money knockdown the ones "with" money.

    To be true we all have differant ways and paths that get us there.
     
  11. tel

    tel absorb what is useful for

    thing is in what other art could you do less then a year and just open up a club. he is one of the few that teach it without of validation.
     
  12. Simplicity

    Simplicity Valued Member

    AKJA..... Sorry if I speak my mind, freeman here!....If you have trained with him thats, great.......But my truth is to set that fact straight in this world about JKD......If you know me like I think you do, you'll know I'm not about the money, I'm straight up with people as to what I charge to train with me, no hinden cost......But I think the person in ? here, is about the money and has use someone name the wrong way......I wish BL was alive then I wouldn't have to do this for him, get where I'm coming from now.........If you go into something without INTEGRITY and its about the money, you can't in the process change boats, you either IS or you Ain't what you say you are........There are some fishing dealings going on there with Mr. Dill and is a fact my friend......I made a promise to help perpetuate Jeet Kune Do as "IT" was giving out from the founder, thats what I intend to do for the rest of my life.......I will not deviate from that. :D

    Peace, Love and Soul,
    JFM
     
  13. James Kovacich

    James Kovacich RENEGADE

    I don't disagree with either of you but most overlook that he has 34 years JKD experience AFTER James death. The majority ofJKD'ers don't have that much experience.
     
  14. James Kovacich

    James Kovacich RENEGADE

    Just about ANY instructor not in Dan Inosantos line are without validation.
     
  15. tel

    tel absorb what is useful for

    in jkd that is very true.

    but in jun fan the two other lines are taky kimura and james lee. but james lee didn't give out any instructorships.
     
  16. James Kovacich

    James Kovacich RENEGADE

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  17. tel

    tel absorb what is useful for

    you have to know the history before you can move forward, the good and bad
     
  18. James Kovacich

    James Kovacich RENEGADE

    According to the Bruce Lee Foundation (on the FAQ page) on the three differant certificates.

    http://www.bruceleefoundation.com/index900.html


    The Jun Fan Gung Fu certificate was given out at the schools and if you attended the school, that is what you received.

    The Bruce Lees Tao of Chines Gung Fu certificate and Jeet Kune Do was given primarily to private and celebrity students.

    Most of the celebrity students have the Tao of Chinese Gung Fu certificate and most of the serious private and backyard students have the Jeet Kune Do certificate and the Jeet Kune Do certificate was the last to come into existence, so it was given out to less students.

    I guess it is more evidence that 3rd rank JKD was not an instructor rank at all and we already know that 3rd rank never was the highest rank anywhere in Bruces evolution of his schools and art.

    And that would make Taky the most Senior and James Lee number 2. :D
     

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  19. Fightingsprit29

    Fightingsprit29 New Member

    Jeet Kune Do , the way i understand it

    Here is a little something i wrote on J.k.d the way i undersand it.:)


    JEET KUNE DO.....

    The art of Jeet Kune Do is simply to simplify. Jeet Kune Do avoids the superficial, penetrates the complex, goes to the heart of the problem and pinpoints the key factors. Empty your cup that it may be filled; become devoid to gain totality."

    Many claims have been made over the years with regards to the proper definition of Bruce Lee's art of Jeet Kune Do. To some it is a process of "Change"; others see it as just a form of "modified" Wing Chun. Many recognize Jeet Kune Do to be simply a mixture of many different elements from numerous fighting styles, all combined to hopefully, at a later stage, form something meaningful to the individual concerned.

    However ...

    There is but ONE definition of Jeet Kune Do (As stated by the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Nucleus) ... "Jeet Kune Do is the complete body of technical (physical, scientific) and philosophical (mental, social and spiritual) knowledge that was studied and taught by Bruce Lee during his lifetime. It is concerned solely and exclusively with Bruce Lee's personal evolution and process of self-discovery through the Martial Art, as supported by written record (personal papers and library) and oral recollections (by those students who spent time with and/or studied under him)."

    A distinction is made between this body of work (Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do), and the individual student's own personal process of self discovery through the martial art, as each student is free to use all, some or none of Bruce Lee's teachings to assist him. Jeet Kune Do accepts you as you are and is not about setting up restrictions or "Ways" of doing things - It seeks to be a source of inspiration and delight for those who possess an interest in Bruce Lee, and the martial viewpoints that he created.

    Jeet Kune Do should be considered as the "Root" that was established by Bruce Lee, and NOT the ultimate goal of any practitioner, as students are expected to modify, add, and delete all aspects of Jeet Kune Do until they develop something that is uniquely their own (You the individual become, through this process of self-discovery, your own best teacher).

    With this explanation still fresh in your mind I urge you to continue reading I hope my explanations and ideas on this wonderful art and philosophy prove to be helpful and enlightening.



    The Art Of Jeet Kune do...

    This is my small contribution and brief introduction to the art of Jeet Kune Do as I understand it. Although I wished had the opportunity to meet Sifu Bruce Lee I continue to feel indebted to him for the changes his art and Philosophy have brought in my life - changing me mentally, physically and spiritually. I am hoping that this short passage will make you want to explore all the aspects of this interesting art, and so use it as a means of self-discovery ... Developing a NEW way of life!!

    To begin with, Jeet Kune Do (abbreviated JKD from now on) means "The way of the intercepting fist" and with this combat phrase in mind, it is basically concerned with the interception of an attack, a movement or even an intention by your opponent to launch an attack. It is one of the most popular and well debated (due to each person's understanding and application of JKD being different from the next) martial arts in existence today.

    There are two schools of thought in JKD practice today ... Jun Fan/JKD practitioners, and the JKD Concepts practitioners. Jun Fan/JKD practitioners concentrate on Bruce Lee's original teachings, training and fighting methods, while the JKD Concepts practitioners use Bruce Lee's ideas and theories and explore and add techniques from many other martial arts to their training - Whatever form of JKD you choose to follow, it is really up to you to find your own truth in the art of Jeet Kune DO !!!

    Well, you might ask ....
    What are the main theories, principles and techniques involved ? What is the structure of this method ? What training methods are used ? How can you get involved in the learning process ? .... I will cover that in a little more detail shortly.

    Although Wing Chun, a Southern form of Chinese martial art still remains the nucleus of the JKD system, western fencing with its non-telegraphic motions, footwork as well as attack and defense theory were also incorporated. Bruce Lee also liked the way that boxers fought and so body mechanics, footwork and all the evasive tactics were taken from boxing and also incorporated into his JKD system. Bruce Lee, after researching several methods of kicking, also came up with his own unique way of kicking - very fast and very direct !! It is therefore safe to say that JKD consists primarily (although he did use elements from 26 different systems) of Wing Chun, Fencing, boxing and Bruce's own unique way of kicking.

    Learning the art of JKD is like putting together a large puzzle. Each period of Bruce Lee's life holds important pieces of the puzzle - The more you learn, the more complete your puzzle becomes. It also helps to learn as much about Wing Chun as possible so that you can better understand the roots of the system - You will find that the study of Wing Chun will really solidify your knowledge and understanding of JKD (It is after all the real foundation !!).




    There are three major areas of concentration in JKD:

    Simplicity
    Directness and,
    Non-classical attitude
    Simplicity means doing only what is necessary to complete a task as quickly and efficiently as possible - This is by no means as easy as it sounds and requires a lot of thought and practice through continual drilling of all the basics.

    Directness means to follow the shortest and safest possible route to an opponent (normally a straight line) with non-telegraphic motions and doing as much damage as possible. The principle of directness in JKD can be found in the individual's ability to use his longest weapon (usually his lead hand or leg) against the nearest target on his opponent's body.

    Non-classical means that all the techniques are delivered in a practical manner, unlike the majority of "fancy" techniques that are used and taught in traditional martial arts.

    The first thing that must be considered is the fighting stance (Bai-jong), or the on -guard stance which Bruce Lee believed must have your power side forward - In this position your most powerful weapons are closest to your target. This stance is highly mobile with good offensive and defensive capabilities ... Plus much much more!!
    Mobility, more than anything else is highly stressed in JKD, as combat is a matter of movements ... Footwork is light, quick and economical. Good footwork is essential to close (bridge) the gap to your opponent and attack powerfully, or evade and counter an opponent's attack. The JKD fighter will use linear, lateral, angular and circular footwork patterns, so as to put himself in the best possible range.

    There are three fighting ranges emphasized in JKD:

    Long range
    Medium range and,
    Close range
    Each of these three ranges must be practiced. The fighter must understand the tools applied in each range and how to use them effectively. Long range is known as the fighting measure, and is the most favorable position to maintain when you are not attacking. In this long range you are basically very "safe" and it is from here that you can test your opponent's reactions without being in too much danger of being hit. You can test your opponent's reactions by using feinting or probing attacks which appear to be real!!

    Kicks, punches, trapping and grappling movements can all be used in the medium range. As a general rule, by the time your opponent is moving into the medium range you should have already intercepted him and countered his offense with an attack of your own.

    Once we get into the close range, head butts, elbows and knees can now be used. This is generally where close quarter grappling occurs (chokes, strangles etc.) and is a very deadly range due to the serious nature of the natural body weapons that can be employed.

    Physical blocking of an incoming blow is only used as a last resort by the JKD practitioner ... instead he uses the four corner parry which redirects the incoming force. The best defense in JKD is to attack!! The next preferred method of defense is the simultaneous attack and defense whereby you parry the opponent's attack while delivering (at the same time) an attack of your own to the open line. An even more effective form of defense is to fire a fast powerful attack of your own into the same line as the incoming attack, thereby deflecting the oncoming attack and landing successfully on your target - This form of interception is called the stop-hit; when using the foot for interception it is called a stop-kick. When you have honed your interception skills, damage is done immediately to the attacker, both mentally and physically.

    The most important factor in JKD training is sensitivity training. Every offensive and defensive movement will have a certain type of energy and energy flow. Sensitivity drills that are used in JKD are referred to as Chi Sao or "Sticking hands" and use of this drill will enable the student to "sense" the opponent's energy quickly and subsequently trap and counter him immediately. Chi Gerk or "Sticking legs" develops the sensitivity in the legs for sweeps, deflections and counter kicks practitioners.

    Another area of vital importance in JKD is Bruce Lee's five ways of attacking. Bruce Lee realized that there are essentially only five ways that you can attack an opponent and that every empty hand attack ever conceived will fall into one of these five categories.

    One of the most useful pieces of equipment for the JKD practitioner is the Mook Jong or the wooden dummy (Refer to the last picture in my photo album) from the Wing Chun system of Chinese Kung Fu - This piece of equipment allows you to train alone when no partners are available. The wooden dummy consists of a head, trunk, two upper arms, a lower arm and a lower (sometimes metal) extension that represents the lead leg of an opponent ... All the offensive and defensive moves can be performed on the dummy. Striking the dummy and performing your defensive moves on it also conditions the arms and the legs for impact - This was one of Bruce Lee's favorite pieces of training equipment !!

    As you can see Jeet Kune Do is a very well rounded and balanced martial art which has something special to offer everyone from a mental, physical and spiritual point of view. It is, and will become - If you let it ... "A NEW WAY OF LIFE".

    Jeet Kune Do Fitness

    Intense physical training is a must in JKD or any other external Martial Art for that matter!! Please excuse the brutality in what I am about to say, but the last thing that you want to happen to you is to lose your life due to not being prepared or not in a good enough shape to carry through with a confrontation.

    Bruce Lee emphasized fitness over and over again with all his students - Cardiovascular, flexibility and strength training. Cardiovascular conditioning can be accomplished through running, cycling, rope skipping, running stairs, rowing, swimming, shadowboxing and/or footwork mobility drills to name but a few ...To just give you an idea of Bruce Lee's physical prowess, he would run four miles a day in 24 to 25 minutes, thereafter he would ride his stationary exercycle full speed - 35 to 40 miles per hour continuously for 45 minutes to an hour!!

    Flexibility can be maintained by implementing a serious stretching routine of at least two twenty minute sessions per day.

    Strength training can be accomplished through the use of isometrics, static contraction exercises, free weights, weight machines etc.

    An important element that all JKD practitioners must experience is lots of good, hard sparring with protective equipment - This brings all the fitness aspects together, as well as conditioning your body for impact, developing self-confidence, mobility, timing, power, reflexes, range awareness and the endurance necessary to succeed in an all out confrontation.
     
  20. Beltless

    Beltless Banned Banned

    Oh my God can someone kill this guy allready!
     

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