Dear Kiai You quoted " Threats from Liam and your other dogs just make me laugh and my friends from Indonesia and Malaysia who come to my Sunday events for free really want to see you make real your threats/challenges." Where did I threaten you???? I offered you a opportunity to come along to Dublin and to inform my students face to face (not over an internet) why what they do is wrong. About a Year ago one of your so called Indonesian / Malaysian friends made a visit to my club, on the phone he was very friendly and asked could he come along and train. When he got to the club, he started mouthing off that Cimande should be only taught by Indonesian. He challange one of my intermediate students to a match, he lasted 11 seconds before he was knocked to the ground and kicked across the floor before we had to stop the silat match as he was completely out played and out spar. (11 Seconds lets count that 1... 2.... 3... 4... 5....6... 7... 8... 9... 10... 11.... this great Indonesian Cimande Warrior beaten by a Pukulan Cimande Pusaka silat student who was only training for 2 Years ) He apologies afterwards for his statements and rudeness, and than wanted to start learning from us, as he said "what he learnt in Indonesia made him look like a stiff crapy Karate fighter, and didn't have the flow that was in our style" wow another Indonesian. IThe event was witness by 9 others. So Kiai if you think we quaking because you have Indonesian / Malaysian friends that wont really wash. because firstly I have no bones to pick with them as the only person I see here ranting is you. You keep saying you speaking on behalf of others, but actually who???? Why dont they speak up?? Aare they not internet cafes in Indonesia. Secondly if these friends of yours want to play thats cool, we can all play we dont care if there Indonesian, Irish, American, Spanish or even from Mars. Kiai I have heard about the way you move, and my student has seen you move to be totally honest I dont want to learn what you have to offer, as if I saw what you are offering as Silat back 20 Years ago, I would have kept to Karate. You can call as many names as you like to us,the only thing you are doing to many of the students here is to actually turn them against Indonesian and their culture. I took up Silat as a Martial Art, that is what I teach, there is many beautiful things about Indonesian Culture and there many terrible things, same as all cultures, even the small Indonesian community in Ireland are always arguing and fighting about who in charge. But at the end of the day, all my silat teachers were fighters Jak Othman, Richard De Boardes, William Sanders etc.. not talkers. You can use this forum to discuss, but if you just using this forum to spread lies and hatred than something will be done about it. I will asked again will you not accept our invitation to come to Dublin ?